Chapter 780 The unexpected effects of strategic deception

After setting the tone of agreeing to cooperate, the next thing that remains is to determine some basic principles.

After all, this time it was handled directly by the Aviation Power Group.

It is easy to come up with an idea, but there is still quite a lot of work involved in implementing the idea.

Although the French's purpose may only be to save the General Motors Group, it is still possible to achieve cooperation, and the best preparations must be made.

Moreover, this kind of tug-of-war can also be an opportunity to train the Aerospace Power Group's own negotiation team.

Looking at the current situation, I am afraid that future external exchanges and cooperation will be indispensable. Chang Haonan cannot be asked to borrow people from the Science and Technology Commission every time.

"Now that we are ready to cooperate, we need to determine the conditions proposed by us. Is it joint research and development, or is it simply a supplier of solutions, paying with one hand and delivering the goods? I would like to hear your thoughts. "

In the past few years, Zhu Linyu has been in charge of the work related to the military-to-civilian conversion of the former Aviation Industry Corporation, but he still has some understanding of those foreign cooperation projects, especially the aviation safety cooperation that has been promoted as a benchmark by the Corporation.

Now that it is my turn to take charge of the overall situation, I must start by copying the gourd and drawing the scoop.

Of course, his question was not so much about brainstorming as it was about seeking Chang Haonan's opinion.

It’s just hard to ask too directly.

Of course the other people also understood the implication, so they had no intention of speaking, but turned their attention to Chang Haonan almost at the same time.

The latter also knew that now was not the time to be humble, so after a little thought, he said:

“Judging from the current situation, because the progress of Turbofan 10 is relatively smooth, the trust given to us by our superiors, and of course the funding, is relatively sufficient, so we don’t have to rush to make quick money, we should try our best to make money in the future. through joint research and development.”

One advantage of joint research and development is that every time an order is made for the M88 or the Rafale fighter jet, the Aerodynamics Group will get a profit from it.

Compared with a one-time deal, it is obviously more profitable to make a steady flow of money.

"Comrade Haonan, I heard that you have promoted cooperation with the Russians in the form of technology exchange in Shengjing?"

As the chief accountant, Wen Kangjian is not from the aviation industry system, but he was already a member of the preparatory committee before the group was formally established, so he has some understanding of some situations at the head office.

"Yes, it is carried out within the framework of Project 11."

Chang Haonan nodded:

"In fact, the entire Project 27, although generally speaking, my country is introducing the R&D and manufacturing technology of the Su-11, there are also parts where the two sides have technical exchanges, such as the J-601B prototype that is being manufactured, and the airframe structure upgrade is made by Institute and Sukhoi Group jointly completed.”

“This is another advantage of collaborative research and development.”

Although Chang Haonan is the youngest, he probably has more project experience than everyone else here combined.

Project No. 11 is not a business of the Aerospace Power Group, and the former is not directly involved in theory, but it undoubtedly plays an important role in it.

Therefore, several other people also pricked up their ears.

"Cooperative research and development means that we have a say in products, of course in weapons and equipment, mainly in the export of products."

Chang Haonan continued:

"Just like the Project 27 mentioned by Comrade Kang Jian just now, models using second-stage upgraded airframes, such as Su-27SMK and Su-UBMK, must obtain the consent of both parties at the same time before they can be exported."

“After Komsomolsk’s improved model completed its first flight in the first half of the year, several countries immediately proposed the idea of ​​purchasing the improved model, but in the end, only Algeria and Ethiopia signed it because it triggered the restrictive clause we had signed with Russia. Purchase orders for SMK models, while Annan can only purchase models using older airframes..."

It is still very attractive for China to increase its voice in the international arms sales market.

Then, Wen Kangjian asked very cautiously.

"Then...can we also learn from the ideas of Project 11 and exchange some technologies that we or other brother units urgently need?"

"Is this..."

Chang Haonan did not respond immediately, but lowered his head and thought for a while:

"The French do have a lot of the technology we need, but Dassault and Snecma may not, especially since we have already determined the direction of development in both aircraft and engines, and it is impossible to continue to follow the French path. … Moreover, cooperation in technology exchange also involves deep issues of mutual trust.”

"Mutual trust... They have already asked us to help with the engine, so why are we still talking about whether to believe it or not..."

"It's not mutual trust between them and us."

Chang Haonan waved his hand and explained:

"It's their internal mutual trust. The entire Rafale project involves not only Dassault and Snecma, but also Thales, Sagem, and Explosives Group. Relatively speaking, we are more interested in Thales. "Zi's optoelectronic equipment, as well as technologies such as smokeless propellants from Explosives Group Company."

"We were able to cooperate with the Russians in the form of technology exchange before because we have the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense here, and they also have a defense arms export company that can integrate most of the military business. But this time we are working with the French In business, how could Thales contribute its own technology to help Snecma solve the problem? "

Although the companies mentioned above are all French state-owned enterprises, there is still no direct benchmarking between French state-owned enterprises and Chinese state-owned enterprises.

On the Chinese side, Dianke Group exchanged its own technology for the technology needed by the Aviation Industry Group, and then the gains and losses of both parties could be smoothed out through an internal settlement mechanism under the coordination of the Science and Industry Committee.

If there were no such platform and mechanism, extremely complex multi-party rights transfer contracts would have to be signed, and it would be normal for the relevant wrangling to last for more than ten years.

……

at the same time.

"The Chinese suddenly developed a third-generation high-thrust turbofan engine" is considered a big news in both the aviation and military circles.

Therefore, it is natural that the French cannot be the only ones paying attention to this.

At least, Li De and Zhou Ruifu, who were at the military parade that day, soon discovered the clues after developing the photos.

Of course, as military attachés, they themselves are responsible for the task of collecting open source intelligence. They cannot just make casual guesses, but must submit their analysis and conclusions in a written report.

But the prerequisite for open source intelligence collection is that there must be open source intelligence.

I only have a few photos at hand, and they were taken during the flight. Obviously, I can't analyze them clearly.

They can only learn from the conclusions of their “peers”.

"Brigadier General, it seems that many commentators in the country believe that this new model of engine may be developed on the basis of the CFM56 core engine. It is said that about ten years ago, China had obtained the CFM56 through the relationship with the French. Relevant technical information, and then based on the F110GE100 engine, we came up with this benchmark model. "

Bai Lid placed several newspapers in front of Zhou Ruifu and said.

This also includes the one that Chang Haonan had seen before.

Of course, there will be follow-up, more detailed reports.

However, the first article seemed to set a tone for this matter, causing at least 70% of Western media to tend to conduct analysis based on it.

Of course, this is also in line with the mindset of this era.

After all, after the J-10 made its first flight, many media claimed that it was a copycat of the Lion fighter of the Great Patriotic Kingdom.

However, Zhou Ruifu is an Air Force Brigadier General and half an aviation expert. He simply sneered at this statement:

"I read the article in Jane's Defense Weekly half a month ago. Although it is very reasonable, I know the author. He left General Electric about six or seven years ago. He wrote this just to give himself a That 'former senior engineer at General Electric' status is just a bonus."

"Furthermore, the French themselves don't understand CFM56. Even if the Chinese do get the technical information from them, it will be incomplete and may even contain errors. How can they come up with the benchmark F110 engine so quickly? After the finished product is released, do you still dare to show it at an occasion like the National Day military parade?”

This analysis was obviously very convincing, and Bradbury was convinced on the spot.

"Then you think it might be..."

"I saw an analysis from China these days."

Zhou Ruifu said:

"The author is a Chinese, and is very familiar with the process of China's domestic Su-27 production. He wrote many details that outsiders simply cannot understand. He should be, or at least have been, an insider who has been exposed to related work."

Obviously, he was talking about that little essay that defied heaven.

Because the content was so vivid, Zhou Ruifu misjudged the author's identity a hundred million times:

"His statement is that while China introduced the Su-27 production line, it also introduced AL31F technology from the Russians, but it did not directly produce the original version, but made certain upgrades on the basis of the AL31F to adapt to The Chinese Air Force and the Russian Army have different operational needs.”

"Considering China's confidentiality regulations, this may not be the whole truth, but I think there must be some real parts in it. At least in a general direction, it should be much more reliable than the article in Jane's Defense Weekly... …”